9/11 Truth, Inner Consciousness and the Public Mind

By James Tracy
Global Research

With few exceptions, the news that will shape public discourse is subject to a de facto censorial process of powerful government and corporate elites beyond accountability to the public. It is here that Sigmund Freud’s notion of repression is especially helpful for assessing the decrepit state of media and public discourse in the United States. In Freud’s view, one’s collective life experiences are registered in the subconscious, with those particularly disturbing or socially impermissible experiences being involuntarily suppressed, only later to emerge as neuroses. Whereas suppression is conscious and voluntary, repression takes place apart from individual volition.

With opinion polls indicating at least half of the public distrusting the official account of September 11th, the foremost basis for the “war on terror”, no public event has been more repressed in public consciousness via the mass media than 9/11. The enduring usefulness of Freud’s theory is suggested in repeated manifestations of the repressed episode to haunt the public mind for which a surrogate reality has been crafted.

Peter Dale Scott describes occasions such as the assassination of President John Kennedy and September 11th as “deep events” because of their historical complexity and linkages with the many facets of “deep government”—the country’s military and intelligence communities and their undertakings. The failure to adequately explain and acknowledge deep events and pursue their appropriate preventative remedies leads to continued deceptions where unpleasant experiences are contained and a new “reality” is imposed on the public mind.  Together with the notion of repression, the term is also applicable for considering how instances of such historical import are dealt with in mass psychological terms, or, more specifically, by ostensibly independent alternative news media capable of recollecting the real.

For example, on May 1, 2011 President Obama announced the assassination of Osama bin Laden, the mythic mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, to an apparently ecstatic nation. Most conventional news outlets reported Obama’s announcement unquestioningly because it fit the scheme of their overall erroneous reportage on September 11th. When alternative news media and bloggers almost immediately pointed to various contradictions in the story—the observations of eye witnesses to the raid, doctored photos of bin Laden’s alleged corpse, and international press reports that Bin Laden died many years prior—corporate news outlets acted swiftly to repress the well-reasoned critiques as “conspiracy theories” with a barrage of swiftly-produced editorials and op-eds. Indeed, the announcement of Bin Laden’s supposed demise came just four days after the Obama administration released the president’s purportedly authentic long-form birth certificate, an event at once uncannily amplified and repressed by the proclamation of bin Laden’s fate; where the vocabulary of repression produced another term, “deather”.

Again, the life of a lie is predicated on the success of subsequent deceit and the strength of the alternate experience created to stand in for the truth. Nowhere is the repression and revision of the memory of September 11th more acute than in progressive news media claiming to offer an alternative to corporate-controlled journalism. Some of these media themselves have multi-million dollar annual budgets and are especially open to manipulation by elite interests, often through self-censorship, via corporate underwriters and grants from powerful, tax-exempt foundations.

The Democracy Now! news hour is a case in point. A markedly persuasive program with a highly-educated and influential audience, Democracy Now! has substantial credibility, much of which was earned through its scrutiny of the George W. Bush administration and the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. It is through the use of this credibility that Goodman and Democracy Now! have consciously suppressed serious questions pertaining to September 11th, thereby playing an important role in dividing the 9/11 Truth movement from its antiwar counterpart and cultivating the latter, with its inevitable confused detachment from history.

The success of Democracy Now! in this regard lies in its adherents’ belief that it represents an authentically radical alternative to mainstream news—a claim that has some validity given the program’s willingness to address race and gender-related issues and its copious attention to acts of social protest. In terms of analysis, however, Democracy Now’s coverage is at best lacking and at worst outright misleading, bearing more of a resemblance to its mainstream equivalents than real alternative news outlets. This phenomenon has only increased despite the Obama administration’s intensification of many policies begun under its predecessor.

A working example is Democracy Now’s coverage of the so-called “Arab spring” over the past several months. While reports from alternative and international news outlets have pointed to the ties between the Libyan and Syrian “opposition” and the intelligence and military apparatuses of NATO’s leading countries—Britain and the United States—Democracy Now! has fallen into lockstep with corporate news outlets that have valorized such forces as fighting against the tyrannical Gaddafi and Saad regimes. In the case of Syria there are conflicting reports on whether the Saad regime or death squads run out of Turkey by NATO are in fact responsible for the many deaths that have occurred over the past year. The Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya networks along with allegedly independent human rights groups have depicted the Saad regime as responsible for much of the Syrian bloodshed. Democracy Now! parrots and reinforces such reports without question, even though genuinely alternative media have scrutinized these claims.

In November 2011 the independent journalist Webster Tarpley journeyed to Syria to conduct a firsthand investigation of the Saad regime’s alleged brutality. His findings utterly diverge with those many western audiences had become used to. After interviewing Syrian officials and embarking on unescorted tours of Syria over a two week period, where he spoke to dozens of Syrian commoners, Tarpley reported that almost all of the violence was chiefly attributable to the same forces involved in the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya. While innocent pedestrians have been subject to bombings and being targeted by snipers and death squads—recognized techniques of US forces from El Salvador to Iraq to provoke ethnic division and civil war—the Syrians Tarpley spoke to held the Saad regime in high regard and wanted an increased Syrian army presence to prevent such attacks.

Tarpley broadcast from Syria on his own weekly World Crisis Radio program and proceeded to report his findings on alternative outlets, including Russia Today, Iran’s Press TV, Alex Jones, and Jeff Rense. Despite the notoriety Tarpley was absent from Democracy Now! and like avenues, in all probability not just because of his unorthodox conclusions on the “Arab spring”, but also an intellectual honesty that steered him toward, among other endeavors, a rigorous and unadorned interrogation of September 11th, thus placing him beyond the pale of the Left’s permissible discussion and dissent.

The repression and revised imposition of September 11th and the attendant “war on terror” on the public mind have important implications not only for the integrity of public discourse, but also for the collective sanity of western culture and civilization. As crafted by dominant news media 9/11 has become the cracked lens through which we view and conceive of our own history, identity, and purpose. Each act of subverting or evading factual accounts of actually existing events manifests itself as a small fissure in the broader edifice of truth and rationality. So does it also contribute to furthering the designs of broader forces seeking to build a once seemingly pretend brave new world.

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30 responses to “9/11 Truth, Inner Consciousness and the Public Mind

  1. Since there appears to be a very distinct set of evidentiary pieces to the puzzle otherwise known as 9-11, that point to an unmistakable Mossad/Israeli hand in the planning and execution of the 9-11 attacks, of course along with highest-level and ‘black-ops’ elements within the previous administration(s), any possibility of the investigating lens of Truth focusing undue attention there will be prevented by many conjoined streams of obscuration and deceit, including using every possible way of denying the truth, cheif among these, by associating it, the truth (denied), with ‘undesirable elements’ within the pool of possible media reporting streams, including Democracy No (w)! reporter Amy Goodman. As with any broadcast show, DN depends on listener support, and the bottom line appears to be whether Goodman is willing to cross the line, and put her baby DN on the line to broadcast the truth. Would DN be classified as ‘one of those crazy conspiracy shows’? Is she willing to risk that? Apparently she is not, and is more interested in having a ‘show’, than making the truth be known. Who knows who ‘got’ to her. She could have been told early on, if you and your show want to stay alive, you will steer clear of the 9-11 story…but as we know, it is the defining moment of our time, and unless we get the truth out, at least the first ‘level’ of truth, that it is nothing like what the ‘official story’ would lead us to ‘believe’, we are doomed to an ‘imposed’ reality that only continues to limit our freedoms, while lining the pockets of those who would have the lie of 9-11 be true, at whatever cost.

    • yes, 911 is THE defining moment of our time — and DN’s complicity in hiding it is a shame we will not forgive.

      • For me, the monstrousness of what we are opposing transcends any idea of forgiveness, since we are seemingly always in the wake of ‘Its’ destruction, trying to piece together what in the world ‘went on’…while the avalanche of destruction just seems to keep on rolling on…do I have to forgive the avalanche, or just learn to stay out of its path of destruction? Ms. Goodman is but another truly pitiful pawn in the game of ‘hide n’ seek’ with the truth, really not worth a moments’ concern. One day the reckoning within her own mind, of the missed opportunities and the empty stories used instead of the truth, will reek havok on her soul. So pity her, rather than condemn her. We who are facing the monster, and still drawing breath, we are the only ones who can make a real difference in uncovering the truth, from the thick overlay of lies…from the avalanche of lies still cascading upon us from all sides…time for a ‘walkabout’ with no news…no stories…only the breeze and the sun, and the earth beneath my feet.

  2. When looking for the big view you have pointed out a phenomenon which Libertarians decry as the hypocrisy and conspiracy of the Left. ( The what ? Find one ) As if there was in fact anything except media control whipping up false dichotomy exemplified by controlling ‘debate’ to circles of futility which use Poisoning the Well arguments of false logic ad hominems to attack the character of those who do not agree with the proposed wisdom.
    I don’t disagree with your assessment of Demockracy Today! mind. I just think the broad application is revealed far back to the British resistance attack on wars in India back in the 18th century Britain by Alexander Pope’s friend John Arbuthnot ; and is refined by Rand Corporation style institutional psyops like the NPT TRAP ( see Transcend Media ).
    Military control of media includes global application. I would remind you that the Nazi movement is an American tradition furthered as ignored history to the point of insurrection against FDR and as Operation Paperclip should have made obvious.
    And while the roots seem British – independent London in particular – globalism and the NWO ( new ? nope ) are well established in both time and geography in the Military Industrial Media Complex. Nor should one forget the role of UNESCO.

  3. What “observations of eye witnesses to the [Abbottabad] raid, [allegedly]doctored photos of bin Laden’s alleged corpse, and international press reports that Bin Laden died many years prior” can you show us? I’ve seen no MSM or official government reports from anywhere in the world claiming that US Navy SEALs offed the wrong guy last May. I’ve also heard no denials from anyone associated with Osama bin Laden that he and al Qaeda were behind the suicide attacks of 9/11, the suicide attacks on 2 US embassies in Africa in 1998, and the suicide attack on the USS Cole in Aden in 2000. That’s a lot of “repressed” governments and individuals.

  4. To Bob stram and ae911″truth”:

    [Links changed to avoid "moderation"]:
    I think it’s time to investigate some of the bizarre and absurd claims made by Richard Gage, not the three WTC hi-rise collapses on 9/11, since they’ve already been thoroughly investigated by much more qualified, competent, and honest people. The NIST scientists and engineers were only able to time the top 18 stories, or 242′, of the collapse of WTC 7′s facade, and determined that it took 5.4 seconds, yet Gage and others in the 9/11 “truth movement” claim that the entire 610′ collapse only took ~6.5 seconds. Did the other 368′ fall in just over 1 second? How is he even able to give us a time to the nearest 1/10 of a second for the entire collapse when NIST couldn’t because buildings in the foreground blocked the view of video cameras?
    How can he claim that the towers nearly free fell when the loose, airborne debris from their upper stories was obviously falling much faster than the collapse zones, and began hitting the ground while at least 40 stories in each one were still intact? The North Tower was only down to the height of WTC 7 when debris from the upper stories first hit the ground. Was g miraculously increased on 9/11? They fell in ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively, nowhere near the ~9.25 seconds that free fall would have taken:

    youtube.com/user/RKOwens4#p/u/40/qLShZOvxVe4

    yet he begins every presentation with his near free-fall claim. He’s also claimed that the dust clouds from the collapses were “pyroclastic,” but there are no reports of anyone’s skin being instantly peeled off, and he’s claimed that the fires in WTC 7 were minor, totally contradicting these NYC eyewitnesses:

    sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofwtc7fires
    sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/accountsofwtc7damage
    sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/eyewitnessaccountsofthewithdrawalfromwtc

    How could his claim that 400,000 yards of concrete were turned to fine powder be true, when there was less than 100,000 yards of concrete above grade in both towers combined? Does he know how to turn 400,000 yards of concrete to fine powder with explosives without leveling NYC?
    Has he ever seen a controlled demolition that left molten metal in the debris for months? Has he ever seen one that didn’t leave even one explosively-cut column in the debris? Since he claims that explosives were planted in the core columns to start the collapses, and that it was done from elevator shafts, has he even looked a floor plan of the cores above the 78th floor sky lobby? There were only 6 regular elevators above there, plus a freight and 2 express elevators, and they were only near 6 of the 47 core columns. Several of those were in the paths of the planes, and the perimeter columns collapsed first, so he’s not even making sense, especially considering the fact that 30 or more stories of core framing stood 15-25 seconds after each tower’s main collapse was over.
    We should investigate the nonsense coming from Richard Gage, as well as his “engineers.”

    forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=3834688&postcount=12

  5. The MSM is between a rock and a hard place. They have for far too long suppressed the truth of 9/11. Hence for them to start telling the truth now would completely destroy what little creditability they have, as opposed to giving it any creditability back. How could they answer that they have overlooked so many of the obvious contradictions and blatant lies spewed by our government?

    Before we can even begin to move forward the current structure must fall and be completely obliterated, and in it’s wake a new army of media must take it’s place.

    As to albury’s A&E rant, he, as always, fails to recognize that of the nearly 1,700 architects and engineers there are some of the most highly regarded professionals in their fields. It takes a lot of guts to put your reputation and career on the line by challenging the official narrative. Something albury would know nothing about.

  6. The NIST engineers are very highly regarded, MrM, and their WTC investigations and recommendations have resulted in 40 revisions to the 2009 and 2012 I-codes. Box Boy’s “most highly regarded professionals” haven’t produced any reports, and are largely ignored by the ASCE and other professional organizations. If they really wanted to challenge the official narrative, why are they just sitting around and whining about not having complete input and results files from NIST’s ANSYS and LS-DYNA modeling? NIST began with no one’s modeling information, and nearly all of the data is in their reports or available from the same sources they used. Your “architects and engineers” have had more than 3 years since NCSTAR 1A was released, have much more information than NIST originally had, full access to the programs and data, and they still haven’t even begun to model the WTC framing.
    It’s dumb enough to think that refuting NIST would produce any evidence at all for explosives, but wouldn’t that many engineers have at least STARTED some modeling by now, or are they too busy divining the causes of collapses by timing them, and then dropping empty boxes on each other to simulate steel-framed hi-rise collapses?
    If you’d like to address anything I said in my first post, please feel free to do so. Ditto for this one.
    TIA

    • Peter Phippen

      Funny, this post hardly warrants a response, except to note that you, Albury, (likely a ‘paid Whitehouse plant’) seem to think that the NIST revisions of a complete waste of paper may have done something meaningful or valuable. How can multiplying anything with nothing, ie. ‘0’, equal ANYTHING!? Sorry, the NIST reports, and any revisions there of are null and void, and for good reason. IF the NIST reports actually reported the cause of the ‘destruction’, NOT COLLAPSE, it would certainly have included the use of controlled demolition, since that is clearly and undeniably what brought down all THREE WTC buildings, one third of which, WTC 7, the 911 Commission report didn’t even mention…anyone with any sense would be unable to deny that demolition, and spectacular demolition at that, brought down 1 and 2, while 7 was much more normal of a controlled demolition. The former was meant for a horrific, televised ‘pearl harboresque’ display for all the world, especially America, to see. Great special effects, the sad thing is, it has lead us down the wormhole of a disastrous dual fronted decade long war…with no end in sight. I have to hand it to the Mossad and the state of Israel, the CIA and FBI , Bush Whitehouse, along with all the gang at NIST and any other branch of the Government involved in the false-flag operation called 9-11, they really pulled it off. But the TRUTH will be known. And those responsible WILL be brought to JUSTICE.

  7. The 9/11 Commission Report didn’t mention WTC 3, 4, 5, 6, the WFC buildings, Verizon Building, Fiterman Hall, Deutsche Bank Building, and others. It simply was not in the scope of an investigation by lawyers and politicians to list all of the damaged and destroyed buildings in and near the WTC. The towers were targeted by al Qaeda, so it’s pretty obvious why they were mentioned.
    Both FEMA and NIST investigated the WTC collapses, and the NIST recommendations led to some of the quickest code revisions in US history. Attacking their findings provides no evidence that explosives caused any WTC collapse, and that evidence would have been found easily by everyone handling the steel, since explosive cutting looks nothing like factory ends with bolt holes, etc. Explosives in controlled demolitions are also heard right before the collapse, come from the areas where the collapse initiates, and the sounds are deafening at close range and carry for 10 miles or more. 236 of the 283 columns in each tower were in plain sight, clad only in aluminum brake metal. There was no place to hide anything on them, and explosions on them would have produced bright flashes and loud bangs all around the buildings, and all the way down. The smoke from the fires would have been violently disturbed right before the tops began falling, not slowly pushed out as air was being compressed in the collapses.
    If WTC 7’s collapse is such a big secret that the government has to hide it, why blow it up in the first place? Would the US have just sent bin Laden a warning letter if no NYC building had collapsed on 9/11? Your imaginary fireproof explosives didn’t happen, and Israel and the Mossad don’t collaborate with suicide terrorists from al Qaeda, nor do the other people you’re libeling. Secretly demolishing hi-rises in Manhattan is a pipe dream of the 9/11 “truth movement,” and there’s no evidence or plausible motive for it either, regardless of your opinion of me.

  8. It “warrants no response” because you don’t know what you’re talking about, and would rather post straw man arguments about what wasn’t in the 9/11 Commission Report. I doubt whether you’ve even read it or the NIST reports.

    • Peter Phippen

      OK OK…arm twisting gets you this video…9-11 : A Conspiracy Theory…please watch…a You Tube in less than 5 minutes….thank you.

  9. Peter Phippen

  10. I’ve seen that video before, Peter, and it’s nothing more than a slick presentation of specious BS. There’s no legitimate debate over who committed the coordinated suicide attacks of 9/11 (or the two coordinated suicide attacks on US embassies in 1998 and the suicide attack on the USS Cole in 2000), and secretly blowing up huge Manhattan hi-rises is impossible.

    http://www.911myths.com/index.php/WTC_Not_A_Demolition

    Demolition explosives are heard for miles, not just by people inside or near the buildings, and the deafening sounds come from the collapse initiation areas right before the buildings go down. If Barry Jennings had heard them he’d have been killed in the collapse, but his story at least debunks the crap about the Silverstein PBS quote. He says they went off at ~10:30 AM, so why were the owner and FDNY discussing at ~2:30 PM WHETHER to set them off? Is the FDNY now in the controlled demolition business too? What nonsense.

    • Peter Phippen

      ….tisk tisk…albury…if that is actually your name…(not sure why some of us want to be ‘incognito’)…we will never see each other’s point of view here, since I think you are a ‘government plant’ put here to foment rage in the ‘nut camp’ of 9-11 Truth investigators and bloggers with the drivel you keep spouting about the validity of the NIST and Commission reports. I did read portions of both, and have read many reports on the reports (better to let others more qualified in such things do it for me, and boil it down.) I simply do not buy the goods you or anyone who wants the official version of 9-11 to go unchallenged. Speaking of unchallenged, that’s a pretty arrogant statement you made concerning ‘no valid counter-argument’ to the 19 hijacker version. So, since you are unwilling or unable to actually impartially look at the evidence presented in favor of an alternative explanation of the events of 9-11, I really have nothing more to say to you…although I am sure you will try to continue to ‘bait’ me into a response. Go ahead, it’s a ‘free’ country.

  11. Some of the people more qualified than you are on this list, Peter:

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/someoftheagencies%2Corganizationsandindivi

    NCSTAR 1A does discuss the explosives scenario, so you may want to read it again. Check the 9/11 Commission Report’s table of contents one more time if you don’t understand why the WTC 7 collapse isn’t mentioned.

    I’m wondering why you think Osama bin Laden, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, and others in al Qaeda have needed your 9/11 “truth movement” to defend them from 9/11 accusations for the last decade. Are/were they too bashful to launch a media campaign professing their innocence, or didn’t they notice that the US was trying to capture or kill them? Zawahiri’s parents represent two of the most prominent families in Egypt, and bin Laden is the son of a billionaire Saudi contractor. Is no one listening to their distraught relatives as they watch the persecution of their family members by the evil US?

    • http://ultruth.com/Kevin_Ryan.htm On this website, and others like it, I have found basis for my point of view. Kevin Ryan is THE most prolific publisher on the issue of 9-11. His are the only credentials I need to base my ‘credentialed experts’ argument for questioning the ‘official version’, but here are some other, unimpugnable figures in the 9-11 Truth community: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/ – Dr. Steven Jones former tenured professor of physics at BYU; http://nielsharrit.org/ Neils Harrit…and the list of over 2000 -3000 professional Architects, Engineers, Pilots, Military, Intelligence, Firefighters, lawyers, medical professionals, religious leaders , and untold numbers of lay researchers and truth seekers. Albury, your attempts to somehow influence me, or others, to embrace a hideous and horrible lie that continues to kill, maim and destroy thousands upon thousands of lives all over the world in the name of ‘the War on Terror.’ This war is completely dependent upon the ‘official version of 9-11′ being true and unassailable. Unfortunately, defending a lie eventually forces the liar or liars to rachet up the defenses used to keep the lies hidden and obscure. The direction this country has been heading since early in the last decade, has been toward facsism and totalitarian dictatorship, rather than a Constitutional form of Government, as intended by our Fore Fathers. I am a firm believer in the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. I hope you have enjoyed reading this.

  12. Here’s one of Water Boy’s “attempts to somehow influence” you, Peter:

    Jones used photos of torch-cut columns, gray slag and all, as evidence of explosives. Harrit told a Russia Today interviewer that more than “a hundred tons” of conventional high explosives were also secretly hidden inside and set off on 9/11, along with the miracle substance that they were “reminded” of by rust, aluminum, sulfur, etc. in some WTC dust samples. Try painting anything on an in-place column to sever it. A hundred tons of RDX would fill up 4 tri-axle truck beds, and the explosion would have leveled Lower Manhattan.
    It’s hard to say which one is “THE most prolific” liar, since they’re all so good at it.

    • Peter Phippen

      Albury…if a two-word omission, which does not even change the jist of what is being said AT ALL, is all you have to critique the thousands and thousands of words Ryan has produced, then you are truly a pitiful ‘debunker’ after all…And Dr. Jones, well, since when did you have an advanced degree in ANYTHING, let alone one that totally qualifies him to analyze what ever he choses to. Your ability to shoot holes in the literal MOUNTAINS of evidence on the side of the TRUTH MOVEMENT is quite laughable, and it is only a matter of time until either we manage to break through the barriers of denial and cover-up that has been on such a scale, because the ‘whole shootin match’ depends on the official story of 9-11 and the bad bad Arabs!…Or the ‘other shoe’ will drop and a US city will go up by a nuke, set off by the shadow government/MIC and blame it on Iran or some such quakery…then it will be too late for all of us…since Martial Law will be declared, the Constitution fully suspended (like it isn’t already!!) and we will watch the American Dream crumble into anarchy and chaos….Why does Dr. Alan Sabrotsky, a 10 Marine Corp Vet, Graduate of the Army War College, and Director of Studies there for over 5 years, say with out a doubt, it was a Mossad and CIA/shadow government false-flag operation, and says that many many officers in the Military know this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CysM9IcTo8E

      The ‘9-11 Truth deniers’ like your self have a very odd and indefensible position, one if truly looked at, would reek of treason and deceit on a scale completely unimaginable…like the operation of 9-11 itself, and the reason it has been so long hidden – it was completely unimaginable that any group would take it upon themselves to make this happen in order to go to endless wars, God help us All!

  13. It was not a 2-word OMISSION; he ADDED the words “and I,” deliberately giving the false impression that Larry Silverstein “made that decision,” not “THEY,” i.e. the FDNY. It entirely altered the gist of what Silverstein said. Ryan’s a chemist who analyzed water at UL before lying about their steel certification protocols and getting fired for it. He knows nothing at all about structural engineering, structural steel, or controlled demolition, and is completely refuted by people who do. The 9/11 “truth movement” is ignored by the ASCE, AIA, RIBA, and other professional organizations. I gave you examples of ridiculous lies from Harrit and Jones, who could have found “nanothermite” in a ham sandwich using their brand of science. These people all have advanced degrees, and you don’t believe them:

    http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/team_members.cfm

    The engineers and scientists here do too:

    http://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/someoftheagencies%2Corganizationsandindivi

    What difference did a ~5:21 PM collapse make on 9/11? There’s absolutely no motive for your nonsense, no evidence, and it’s impossible to do something like that secretly.

    Sabrosky’s a dishonest, anti-Semitic crackpot, and if many officers in the US military agreed with him, we’d have heard from thousands of them by now. You’re completely ignoring the evidence, and believing charlatans and liars. Israel had nothing to do with attacking us on 9/11, and the people who did it gave their reasons for it and don’t deny it. What do THEY have to do to convince you?

    • I hope Albury, that who ever is paying you to attend to this nonsensical and outlandish lying, is paying you handsomely, because for the life of me, I can’t see another motive to purport such complete insanity and untruth, in defense of a machine that has less use for you and me as the dust beneath the tracks of tank as it passes over the burning landscape of destruction! What do you have to gain? How can you be so ‘certain’ and believe the trumped up bullshit story that isn’t even a good lie, it is impossible! Answer me that, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR!!!??? It is quite obvious you are advocating this absurd message of ‘lock-step with the official story’ because you HAVE TO….why do you have to? Are you even a US Citizen? Who are you, and why do you keep after this debate, even though I have said you have as much chance of convincing me of your ‘opinion’ as does the earth to reverse the direction of its spin, which, if you know what is good for you, you should reverse the direction of the spin of your patently untrue line of meadow muffin non-sense! And breathe the clean air of TRUTH!!

  14. I have rarely seen it fail. When confronted with irrefutable facts and rationality, you true believers think the only way anyone could possibly disagree with your nonsense is if they were paid by the evil US government. I’m not, nor am I the topic here. I’m a US citizen and Vietnam War vet, and have had a long career in commercial construction supervision and management. Box Boy and Grifter would be laughed off any job I ever ran, and if they ever had to demonstrate how to cut steel the way they claim it can be done, this argument would be over.
    Do you honestly believe that every column in WTC 7, some of which looked like this:

    were all secretly cut with explosives multiple times in a few seconds, and we’d need you to tell us about it?
    Good grief…

    • Albury, irrefutable facts?! Are you serious…laughed off a job site…really!!? OK macho construction dude…how does a 110 story building fall completely into its footprint and 6 subfloor basement levels, creating a massive dustcloud that blanketed all of lower Manhattan, with huge masses of steel weighing tons, tossed 600 yards laterally, in 11 seconds or less? And the 47 story WTC 7 building in less than 7 seconds…collapse is not the word for this, and controlled demolition is, end of story. Sounds to me like you may only know how to use a hammer, and use it on everything, even when a whole tool box is at your disposal, with all kinds of other useful tools to truly do a good job. Your hammering is getting you no where.

      I am done responding Albury. Your name-calling (water boy, box boy, etc.) and absurd arguments are so juvenile I am finished ‘playing’ this stupid game with you. Good luck in your unfortunate exercise of defending the lie of 9-11.

  15. If you insist on believing the absolute absurdity that timing collapse indicates what caused them, at least get the times right. WTC 7’s facade took 8-9 seconds, and that was ~7 seconds after the interior had begun collapsing, with no sounds of explosives immediately preceding it. The towers took ~15 and ~22 seconds respectively:

    There’s no way to determine the end of the WTC 7 collapse to the nearest 1/10 second from looking at video, since buildings and dust are in the way in all of them, so that’s just another lie to add to the list, along with inserting words into quotes to libel people, and countless others.

    Dust is generated in all building collapses, and explosives don’t directly cause it in C/Ds either; the collapses they produce do, and it comes out well after the explosives go off, not at thousands of feet per second immediately. The towers collapsed from the upper floors, so it’s obvious that even more dust was generated than in a C/D starting at the bottom. If you know anything at all about physics, please feel free to tell me what known force in the real world could possibly have prevented lateral ejection of the perimeter columns after they buckled from the fires, and 60,000 and 125,000 TONS in the towers crashed into the intact floors directly below from a story height or more. The heaviest of those “huge masses” weighed about as much as a big SUV, and they were propelled by many thousands of times that much mass.

    If a “110 story building [fell] completely into its footprint and 6 subfloor basement levels,” the airborne debris you find so suspicious wouldn’t have been ejected. Stop embarrassing yourself.

  16. “Paid Whitehouse [sic] plant” is also juvenile name-calling, Peter, and you directed it at me, not at some dishonest and incompetent people seeking to gain notoriety from a tragedy. It’s also juvenile to make up excuses for not being able to address my comments intelligently.
    Try disagreeing with “THE most prolific publisher on the issue of 9-11″ at that link you posted for his web site, and see whether your posts show up. He has another way of avoiding facts and reason.

  17. All of albuys theories implode when given slight scrutiny.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_wtc_implosion.html

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